For the past 9 months,I have been witnessing something...a phenomenon...rather a cultural revolution which seems to find its footing in the denizens of the bustling metropolises but is,slowly but surely,finding a toehold amongst the youth of the smaller mofussil towns.I still am untouched by this rapid infection but am in constant danger of contamination...
The disease....or rather,a godsend boon for some..."Rock culture"-the new brand of music that is sweeping an entire generation into its fold.Though I speak of a very tiny cross- sectional demographic of the society,it is nevertheless intriguing because so many of my peers,my juniors and my seniors seem so very addicted to it!
Rock as a genre has never quite flourished in India and the phenomena that I am talking about has got nothing to do with the emergence of authentic Indian rock...on the contrary,the Indian music scene is still dominated by "Indipop" and "Film music"...However,I am awestruck by the burgeoning fan base of people like Kurt Cobain,Jim Morrison,Billie Joe Armstrong;bands like Nirvana,Green day,Foo Fighters....People my age go crazy over songs that are sung thousands of miles away by people who perhaps never heard of Hindustan!
I am not a fan of rock music...it makes my head ache.So you can be rest assured this post is not going to be about how great rock music is ,how Kurt Cobain is "gawd" and how rock music has captured the imagination of the youth the world over.
This post is about my own personal troubles in my own little myopic world where I am much too smug to look out for other people's point of view.
I have a friend who stands out in a crowd due to his rock-devotion.He will strike up a altercation if he feels his rock-idols are getting slighted.I admire him for wearing his heart on his sleeve.
But from this point,let me enumerate my troubles.
Most of my friends who are rock fan(atic)s cannot tolerate any bit of criticism from their peers about their idols...for them,Green Day represents the pinnacle of musical achievement and nothing can ever surpass that.They are extremely touchy about anybody criticising the rock genre...god forbid if you tell them you can't stand the ear-splitting racket.They'll tell you how ignorant you are when it comes to deciphering guitar techniques or obscure lyrics that have got drowned in the electronic cacophony.
Rock claims to be non-conformist...it doesn't bow to the wishes of the conventional society,or so it says!Another point of clash.Most of my friends tend to slight pop music because it caters mainly to the populist tastes of the society.Rock,they say,is different!I sincerely don't find the difference..at the end of the day,both aim at selling the maximum number of records!It might be that rock stars belt out a different theme of music but how it becomes better than other genres is beyond my comprehension.
I used to like rock...soft rock that is!Until rock decided to move over to a heavy metal genre and attracted a worldwide fan base!Now,my friends,who are mad after Cobain don't wish to listen to such whimpers!
The point that I am trying to make is that I despise the arrogance rock fans tend to portray..at least some of them!They behave as if they're gonna change the world and hence the advent of the nonsensical "I am what I am " tag line...Its cool to be a rock fan.It isn't cool to listen to country music.It is cool to say that Cobain,Morrison died to "move on"..it is easy to glorify their suicides;cuz the whole world is doing so!~
I am afraid that in the midst of all the hullabaloo,the soul of rock has been lost.It was said that they'll never cater to popular taste..they'll do what they want,but is that what is happening now?I don't think rock is the best genre in the world...actually I don't care about genre as long as the song is good...So what right do the rock fans have to tell me that I shouldn't speak badly about Cobain?Yes,I might not know anything about marijuana or rock culture,in fact I am afraid I have portrayed my severe lack of knowledge in this post...but again,I wish to remain free...I don't want to be told that rock is the only genuine genre...all others are studio-mixes...rock is one too!Just see the back covers.
My friends say rock music is great cuz its straight from the heart...socially conscious,great lyrics and the songwriters are the singers!Celine is rubbish cuz she can't write..In the same vein,Cobain is rubbish cuz he can't sing!I have a problem with music that is dark,unnecessarily depressing,where human emotions have no value...Where idols are more notorious than "Jack,the ripper"..where genres are decided based on drug usage and where entire generations are blindly led by a desire to conform to a non-conformist trend!
I wish to be left alone with my Celine Dion..and I want to say out loud that she is way better than Cobain...and I want to have the freedom to say that Dido is better than Morrison because she has the courage to live.I do not wish to be scorned when I listen to the Spice Girls instead of Carnival of Rust.I do not wish to be told day in and day out that I am missing something great...
I may not be "man" enough to listen to Nirvana and there might be people who gawk when they hear I like female singers,but I do not care...I choose Britney Spears and I choose Andrea Corr and that is my choice...I choose to stay out of the line!
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My worst post yet...readers please pardon me!
You are different and it is evident in your choce of music also.people generally floc together because it is safe but not always true.We can not think of ourselves and forget to listen to our own hearts. Melody and lyrics are soul and heart of music.It can take you to another plane altogether.You can share your sorrow or thoughts or simply immerse in the beauty of music and golden voice of the singer.Yes, I fully agree with you
First of all, Morrison sucked ass and so did The Doors. But, he never committed suicide, as you propound in your theory which alleviates Celine Dion to the levels of 'daring to live'. Secondly, you rant on about how your friend/s is/are obsessed with Cobain (Nirvana), Morrison (The Doors), Armstrong (Greenday). Your friends are idiots for that is the poppiest extreme of rock music.
Not having heard any enough to appreciate the nuances or criticise the form with relevant reasons, I assume you associate rock with those three names. My sincerest sympathies lie with you.
An iota of truth you did spill was that rock comes from the heart. At least the musicians write their own music and don't have ghost writers and producers who compose it for them.
Sure, listen to whatever you want to. But know this, real rock isn't about killing yourself/others or being miserable. It's a celebration of life and all the things we hold dear. Listen to Motherjane, Pentagram, Junkyard Groove or other INDIAN rock acts and then make a decision. Or else, you just end up sounding like an ill-informed bigot, who runs with his own prejudices.
That's not what you want, is it?
The only reason I'm writing this comment is that you paid my blog the courtesy of a visit and comment.
I have just read this post of yours, just passing by from other bloggers I know. You know that expression that hardcore Catholics give you, when you ask them why dinosaurs don't fit into the whole equation of faith in religious sentiment?
They say that "God put those fossils down there, to test our faith."
Dhrubo, I'm agnostic but in the event I'm wrong I'm tempted to think that God if he exists, has put YOU down here to test my faith more...
Because your nil-rhetoric horse shit does more to me than any old bones ever will.
Let's start with the fact that the cultural phenomenon that you call rock music you've witnessed has only surfaced in the last nine months. An untouched corner of existence are you, untapped by this 'infection' as you put it?
It's amazing I feel how you can call it a disease and a godsent boon at the same time. That's what conservative dickwads say about promiscuity as well.
You claim rock music as a genre has never really developed in India apart from a fan base for pricks like Cobain, Morrison, Armstrong etc.
Now I'm not the biggest Cobain fan in the world, far from it. But to judge all of rock music from the wails and wanks of a cock like him speaks volumes of your ignorance. Shit, that's like saying you hate dogs because you read Stephen King's Cujo.
I really wonder about the friends you keep. The ones that claim he's 'gawd' and are fanatic about his every circle jerk.
Let's speak a while about your 'Hindustani music' shall we. A name I take offense to anyway, as an INDIAN. All talent and comparisons aside, the holier than thou attitude of vacuous cunts that I've heard talking about Indian classical music, far outnumber any rock fans in India.
And do you want to know why? Because unlike your assumption that rock music was established to change the world, the fans don't want that. They don't give a fuck ABOUT the world enough to change it. A world where asswipes like you exist, might I add, to jizz out your own two bits with the air and unchecked authority of a pseudo Lester Bangs....yeah, look him up.
You and your blog represent everything that I consider a black notch on an Indian status quo. While you seemingly regret the 'soul of rock' being lost, take a look at what has happened to some of the slags that you CHOOSE to listen to. A morally FINE woman, that Britney Spears! Well, I will admit, she did change the world...The Spice Girls broke up ten years ago, two of those spices are probably into enough crack and botox, that Richard Simmons would squeal. Yeah, look him up too, ignorant fuck.
Because that's what you are. You're just another common or garden ignorant irritant who claims to know something based on faulty and asinine shit somebody else dumps on him. You should apply for Candidacy for the President, in the States.
But you won't, will you...no, be safe in your little cocoon, you decontaminated fuck....
Hugs and Kisses
(with the embrace of a steely wind across the face of an angel in strife)
Darius Mistry
Yeah, I'm a poet too.
http://radius86.livejournal.com
My dead Triad,
I appreciate what you think and I agree with you in parts...I have already mentioned in my post that my knowledge about rock culture is next to nothing...maybe you missed that!
I never wrote about what I know,I talked about what the popular perception is...what people think!And people do consider Morrison a hero.I do not wish to "elevate" Dion to any level,she is on quite a high enough pedestal,as it is!
In the midst of all the diatribe,you did validate my stand...where rock-fans tend to think their genre is the best because the songs are written originally...somehow that makes rock better!
Oh and what is wrong if Kara Diogardi writes a song instead of a member of a rock band member'the song might be a hundred times better,isn't it?
My dear Darius,
If only you could understand that an expletive does not make your stand stronger!
For the hundredth time,I have not endeavoured to display my knowledge of rock music...I have just jotted down what I see around me...have a problem with that,do you?
Maybe you didn't read it through...I said boon for some...disease for some!Depends on the perspective.
I have witnessed a phenomena in the past one year...maybe I should have notices it earlier,but I didn't.I noticed how people listened to rock to conform...
problem with that too?
Oh never in the whole post have I displayed my knowledge of rock music;infact I expressed my regret at the ignorance..but I expect you glossed over that!
I know what Britney Spears is and what the Spice Girls stand for,thank you very much!But no one says they are "gawds",do they??
I do not claim to know anything,neither do I claim the right to abuse others based on half baked opinions.I have never said in the entire post that I am an authority on rock.I have merely collected impressions from people around me and given my own thoughts about them....again a problem with that??
And where in the post have a spoken about hindustani music???If only you could enlighten me..!
Oh and thank you for all the comments...I am sure I would have received the same response if I had written about pop or country!
first of all, let me tell you who i am. i saw a comment of yours on my blog, i don't know how you chanced upon that, but i liked the comment, saw your profile, visited your blog. i myself play guitar. i have nothing against rock music, but the present trend that i am witnessing these days also disgust me. first of all, rock music has nothing to do with being stoned, or having joints. rock music when it evolved was about bands like queen, led zeppelin, deep purple and the likes, having its roots in blues. classic rock as it is being called these days, is the only proper form of rock. then branches came out from the genre, there came hard rock (led zep themselves experimented with hard rock, so did Deep Purple), metal, grunge, punk, etc.
I am a big fan of Jim Morrison. But that is because of his writings. Maybe he drank a bit too much, maybe he smoked pot too much, but his writings are real good to go through. and Doors had a keyboardist by the name of Ray Manzareck, who was a god by any standards.
Kurt Cobain, well, if you want to know how good he was, just listen to the "Unplugged in New York" album. His vocal skills can be heard there. But as a person, he was nothing to envy. He tortured his wife, took drugs... where do I stop?
The people who are hooked onto these people, calling them "gawd" (however, i myself call Morrison god), have never heard Rock properly. Try asking them about Robert Plant. Ask them about Freddy Mercury. Even Bob Dylan. Most would draw to a blank.
The problem with the people who are followers of this so called "rock culture" are victims of the media, the controversies surrounding these artists. (i might even add the tendency of these artists to use swear words as lyrics).
You're in kolkata, so you'll know what i'll be saying next. The main problem is the so called greatest bangla band ever, fossils. These fossilites or fossils fans or black t-shirt wearing fellas, they know nothing about rock. They just know a few names, because their idol, Mr. Rupam Islam has been accused (and not very wrongly) of acting like Cobain or Morrison on stage.
people need to grow up, not jump on the bandwagon (quite literally) and get rock literate. rock music is a form of music, and music tastes differ. i have nothing against people who like rock. but i have problems with the "wannabes" who want to flaunt their knowledge about rock just to be popular. black t-shirts, metal neckwear, doping, are not about rock, the first and foremost thing to follow is music.
i myself like rock, i listen too nirvana and doors too. but i also listen to led zep, deep purple... but my favorite genre is not rock. Give me some psychadelia or jazz anytime, i'll switch.
and about most people not caring about indian music, well, most bengali bands are crap, hollywood music stolen, and the true artists never given credit. i would like to know how many have actually heard of Prasanna, the best guitarist to come out of this country?
I said a lot of things here. But I don't know if i made my opinions clear. if any confusion, feel free to ask.
Thank you Sourya,
I agree with you completely..."rock culture" is somewhat annoying to me!You make yourself perfectly clear and I am glad you have a clear mind!
And thank god for mentioning Rupam...!He is "double gawd"
I don't know anything about rock music. I don't even know as much as you do. So, I obviously don't want to end up leaving any stupid comment. All I can say is that as usual, you wrote very well. The language was very good and your attitude was very good.
Dhrubo,
My man, I think you misunderstood me. If the shoe fits, wear it! Likewise, if the song sounds good, listen to it by all means. Damn! Sometimes, I get the urge to listen to some Hilary Duff. No one, least of all, me is telling you "love rock or get the **** out of town".
I'll be the first to say that rock isn't really my flavour or my poison (whichever phrase you prefer). My personal fave and as I have elaborated on my blog (you don't mind a cheap publicity stunt, do ya? ;) ) is industrial metal. The Pink Floyds, Rush's and Primus' of the metal world. Bands like Tool, Pitchshifter and Rammstein are the ones that really get my blood flowing, because of the fact that excellent beats, harmonies, symphonies, time signatures and lyrics mesh together so beautifully. But, that's me. Not you. So that's my stand.
I appreciate the disclaimer that you aren't well versed with rock culture and so I realise in retrospect (which by the way, is always 20/20) that some of my comments do seem a little hasty and heavy-handed. My apologies.
I also, in this brilliantly Gandhi-esque state of mind accept Sourya's point,
"The people who are hooked onto these people, calling them "gawd" (however, i myself call Morrison god), have never heard Rock properly. Try asking them about Robert Plant. Ask them about Freddy Mercury. Even Bob Dylan. Most would draw to a blank."
For sure! But now comes my moment to resume being my normal self and take offence to the definition of "rock culture" being propounded here, in these comments. Rock culture.. and I mean REAL rock culture isn't about black tshirts, necklaces and dope. I don't mind if I'm told, "Yeah man!! this is India. That's what rock culture is here. Stop living in the past!!!"
Fair enough. But you know what? Real rock culture permeates international borders and boundaries. I witnessed it myself with fellow Indians in Bangalore very recently.
Rock culture is:
-Primarily, having a good time.
-Making sure those around you are too
-If some aren't, then get them water or help if they're too drunk to get up
-Sharing your ciggies and stash and stuff
-Helping people up when they fall down in a moshpit
-Looking out for one another if people are in peril or about to be mugged or are in the process of having their stuff stolen
-Finally, making sure people get home and sharing a ride, if need be.
THAT is rock culture. Zeppelin, Dylan, Mercury et al. You make a good case, Sourya. Not good enough though. All of them are gone. Their spirit endures though and is embodied by the very same people that you criticise and disparage.
Maybe Kolkata does have a stagnation in terms of the scene. I wouldn't know. What I do know is that some India bands are really pushing themselves to create fantastic music and I choose to support them and their/our (the 'our' refers to similar minded idiots as me) cause.
Before I finish, I would like to thank and express my admiration towards Dhrubo. There's not a lot of people who'd publish comments that criticise their posts or go against them. Take Little Indian for instance. Good on you!
I DO have a problem with most of what you have written, and while you might have been busy counting the expletives in my comment, you might have missed some of the finer points I had to make.
1) In your own words, you claim to be ignorant of rock music, claim to have no real knowledge of it, beyond what your friends listen to ans tell you about. You further reiterate that point by claiming in this thread that this is your worst post ever, a fact others can hardly argue with. Having said that, you have NOT merely 'jotted down' your thoughts on the matter. You've passed scathing judgement upon a genre of music that admittedly you know nothing about. Had your snap judgement been a little researched, or a little more fact based, you might have found people agreeing with you.
2) You instead choose to ALL brand rock musicians as suicidal, misanthropic drugged out noisemakers. And THAT is what I have been trying to tell get through that thick skull of yours.
If you'll notice I never said you defended Hindustani music or even compared it (hence the words 'All talent and comparisons aside') neither did I slay it completely. I said that I had a problem with you using that WORD.
And for your information, it IS better that a musician writes their own song, in ANY genre. You might not seem to care, but other 'non-conformists' like me seem to hate assholes with no talent or knowledge of what they are doing, getting stage presence, which isnt deserved.
Something YOU can relate to, I'm sure...
-Darius
My dear Triad,
Thank you for visiting again...I appreciate your views on the subject and would like to thank you for all the enlightening me.
But again I am closer to Sourya's stand...I would like to reiterate one thing though....I am not propunding anything here.. The prception of "rock culture" that this post gives is the "rock culture" that I see around me...and I am sure you'll agree that many people follow rock or listen to "heavy metal" as a fad...just because it is the "cool" thing to do!
I am sorry if I offend you but that is how many people around me behave...I have nothing against rock...But I do have a problem against rock being called the "only true genre" or "the best genre"...I have a problem against people saying.."I luvzzz rockzzz"!
My dead Darius,
It is impossible to make your point and refrain from abusing others at the same time??
You have a problem with me using the word "Hindusthan"?Wow...!I had used it just as a word,a synonym for India;but you seemed to have delve deeper into the depths of the word and deciphered some ulterior meaning...
I haven't branded all rock-artists as misanthropes...I haven't passed a judgement on anything...I merely have expressed my opinion.I have written what I see around me...
But I see you have a problem with that too!
And I again fail to understand how rock musicians become "greater" artists just becuase they write their own songs!I mean,as long as the song is good and the performance is enthralling,why is it a problem that "songwriters" have written a song and "singers" have performed it?
You have a problem with people getting attention without talent...
Well,my dear sir,no one makes a name for themselves without talent.And anyway,who decides whether a certain person has talent??
And I really think you should reda this blog a bit more before passing any "judgement"!
Oh and Sinjini,
I almost forgot to thank you...in the midst of all this jargon.Thank you for your comment and for the compliment too...
I hope you had a great exam!
Yes, some Indian bands are making really good music, (both rock and metal)... apart from prasanna i should have mentioned some of them, the bands like Skinney Alley, Pink Noise, Demonic Resurrection, Thermal and a Quarter, Out of the Blue, Magdalene, Bhayankar Maut, Scribe, Split, Pentagram, etc are truly making good music. But they don't have any media exposure, and while some have come out with albums, they are nowhere to be found on the racks of Music World or PlanetM (I have searched)... I was very pleasantly shocked to find the album of Skinney Alley on the racks of Starmark though, and hope others are soon available.
Another problem with the rock industry in india is, us, the spectators. most people want upcoming bands to cover famous songs, and they are pissed off if they do original music. this is one thing that seriously needs to change.
Yes Sourya,you are right...and it is a testament to what I have been trying to say;the fact that most "fans" of rock in India,become fans cuz its "kewl"!
u say dat rock artists are great becoz thety write their own songs. here is the lyrics of a rock song for u.read dis u may undrstnd.
Theres a lady whos sure
All that glitters is gold
And shes buying a stairway to heaven.
When she gets there she knows
If the stores are all closed
With a word she can get what she came for.
Ooh, ooh, and shes buying a stairway to heaven.
Theres a sign on the wall
But she wants to be sure
cause you know sometimes words have two meanings.
In a tree by the brook
Theres a songbird who sings,
Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven.
Ooh, it makes me wonder,
Ooh, it makes me wonder.
Theres a feeling I get
When I look to the west,
And my spirit is crying for leaving.
In my thoughts I have seen
Rings of smoke through the trees,
And the voices of those who standing looking.
Ooh, it makes me wonder,
Ooh, it really makes me wonder.
And its whispered that soon
If we all call the tune
Then the piper will lead us to reason.
And a new day will dawn
For those who stand long
And the forests will echo with laughter.
If theres a bustle in your hedgerow
Dont be alarmed now,
Its just a spring clean for the may queen.
Yes, there are two paths you can go by
But in the long run
Theres still time to change the road youre on.
And it makes me wonder.
Your head is humming and it wont go
In case you dont know,
The pipers calling you to join him,
Dear lady, can you hear the wind blow,
And did you know
Your stairway lies on the whispering wind.
And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our soul.
There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How evrything still turns to gold.
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last.
When all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll.
And shes buying a stairway to heaven.
if u tell me nw dat it's nt gud enugh, i wont knw wat to say.
u say u r poet, den u may b knownin of coelridge's opium abuse, and sucide of shelley as he drownd nt by chance but by wish.
dis may b pretti comparable to morrison or cobain.
morrison died becoz of drug abuse, n cobain shot himself in dejection.
and i may tell u dat wen dnt knw abt genre of rock, den it ws bttr not to comment abt it.
and pls change ur frnds they might b havin a bad influence on you in the years to come.
My dear Sir,
Contrary to what you might think,we are not running a pop vs rock contest here...
Thank you for the Led Zeppelin song...as you say,it is good,but what does it prove?There are a multitude of pop/country songs which are equally good!
I have never said rock artists are great cuz they write their own songs...Never!
PLEASE,point out the sentence where I said I am a poet!
Two things...Are you trying to compare Shelley with Cobain?
And,Cobain's is glorified in ways that Shelley's isn't!~
I am not passing a judgement against suicides though!I just am against people going crazy about it!
Are you telling me Sir,not to comment on my own blog?And anyway,I talk about perceptions,how does that require an in-depth knowledge?
Oh and I love my friends!
And I am sorry for any bitterness or traces of hostility that I might have displayed throughout this reply...I truly am sorry if I have crossed the line of civility!
oh i love d way u start ur repli, "my dear sir".
wuld u pls gve me 1 lyrics of a pop song equalli gud.i wll gve u 10 of rock. country is quite diffrnt, hs a lot of gud songs. as american pie may b classified as a country or rock song has awesome lyrics.
i knw pepl who go crazy abt poems of shelley,keats,tennyson etc.i may say i m one of dem.u dnt hve d priviledge to knw dem.
shelley is almost 170 years before cobain so no comparism, both r greats in their own fields of work, nt gods.
ur perception is very different frm me and i respect some of it bt hate most of it.
wat can b done ifu show any hostility towards me, we can't beat the shit out of me frm ur computer and i also can't.
so its bttr dnt show ne of it.
and abt ur frnds u love dem, bt hw many hve u lost around every bend?????
Dear Sir,
I do not wish to show any hostility towards you...
Do you mean to say that pop songs are not as good as rock songs?Oh,and who decides what good is?
I too enjoy reading Shelley but what I need you to understand is the fact that Shelly's and Cobain's deaths cannot be measured on the same yardstick!
Oh an I have lost a lot of friends round the bend...why do you ask?
since after reading all your such well "FRAMED" replies i understood that all you understand is when you are "SLANGED" in well written verses..so here it goes...
Dear Sir
i understand that you have immense amount of leisure in your life..and hours to waste as you have taken the initiative to write such "wonderful" lines against "rock music"...to which thousands of people are refraining from slanging you in the worst words imaginable but are not just cause they are decent enough to not abuse a mentally unstable human being such as you...well...what i don't get is that why in the world would you start this totally unreasonable topic such as this and take upon the anger of millions??alright we understood your brain waves are incapable of matching up to the standards required to comprehend and understand the genre of rock..but you do not need to state that publicly!!i mean if we all start complaining about the things in the world we don't like then it would be a disastrous place!i mean the first thing i would complain about is the world getting overwrought with people choosing a different sexuality other than the divine decision of being straight!I AM SURE YOU ARE AWARE OF THIS NEW TREND!!!well in case you are wondering..this is dibbasatya's friend,guitarist,cultural secretary of my school,Debdeep Dhar...i hope you enjoyed this post,as i have loved writing it.One more thing...no one cares if you are not a "fan" of rock...in case you thought you were important.
my frnd replied usin my profile to ur blog earlier, nw its me myself.
critics decides wat is gud n i might sa dat they rate rock songs bttr dan ur pop songs. why don't u just gve me a lyric of a pop song gud enugh and i wll gve u 10 of rock, as i hve earlier mentioned.
shelley commited sucicide becoz of hisfailin health, becoz people didnt like his poetry at that time.there is a poem called stanzas written in dejection near naples, ode to the west wind, u may undrstnd if ur brain is capable enugh.cobain's lyrics of later songs were also dark abt death etc...why can't we compare dem in same yardstick.
hey man, all dat u say is always dat u can't say dis can't say dat. gve me a solid reason.as i gve given u facts compare shown similarities. throw sum at me.
and abt ur poem "round the bend" its like a 15 year old girl writin abt frnds she lost, aftr realizin she is a plain sucker.
and if u r a 15 year old grl, its gud u knw!
For the people who have removed their comments...Why?
To Dibbasatya's friend,who calls himself a cultural secretary,
"i understood that all you understand is when you are "SLANGED" in well written verses"....
I doubt your understanding and the oxymoron...But if it inspires you to abstain from the "english" I generally see people using,I can only be grateful!
Whether or not I have immense amounts of time to kill is something which you needn't deliberate!And anyway,i find it a much better usage of time to write;albeit its something you deem "useless" cuz it goes against your myopic views,but then I do not write to get your approval!
Who is refraining from what?Please do elaborate!
Why is the topic unreasonable?Just because you are a rock fan(atic)?Just because it deals with something that is more of a fad?
And I didn't know it took Einstein to comprehend rock...
Please please,I implore you,do not compare this to homosexuality!
That is not a trend,it is a humane issue with civil liberties involved!....choosing?Its not a choice.And who says what is divine?
Debdeep,I am not a "connoisseur" of rock;I never have claimed to be.I listen to music as I please...But I do have my right to express my opinion on a social trend,don't I?As a cultural secretary,you do understand that,don't you?
Oh and did you log in to blogger only to read this post?I am flattered!By the way,why did you mention you were a guitarist?
Oh and you do care...otherwise you wouldn't have "wasted" your time!
dibbasatya...
Critics decide?So,everytime you go to a record store,you listen to what the music review is?You never follow your heart?
Oh and since you say so,Rolling Stone awarded 3&1/2 stars to both Carrie Underwood's "Carnival Ride" and Green Day's "American Idiot"!So you should buy both,shouldn't you??
As far as I am concerned,each individual decides what he/she thinks is good for him/her!
Oh and I would provide you with lyics but then your friend tells me not to waste time!Do check out "Jesus take the wheel","Prayer"...
oh and are lyrics everything in a song?Are they the only pivotal thing?Voice doesn't matter?
I have read "Ode to the West Wind"...and I liked it.you seem to underestimate my reading habits!By the way,have you read Mrs. Dalloway?
Again,why compare Cobain and Shelley?As far as I know,Shelley wasn't into drugs...and his death didn't spark off a "culture"!
I just love your ending comment...15 year old girl huh?Fans of Robert Zimmerman branding a poem "effiminate" cuz it doesn't match their "macho alpha male" egos!
Why has the poem become so girlish?Cuz it doesn't rant about gruesome deaths and marijuana addiction?And what is wrong if the poem is about a 15 year old girl?You have friends who are girls,right?
Hypocrisy,reveal thyself!
Oh and all of you....thank you!You have cemented my stand!And to the people who are "offended",why can't you,the self proclaimed rock-fans,take a bit of a criticism?
man hw cn u even compare lyrics of stairway to prayer or take the wheel. also take the wheel is a country song, i tld u pop, u seem to b sufferin frm short term memory loss.
n u seem to read things and u dnt undrstnd dem.
abt green day, underwood, i hve neither, i hve a 3 songs of green day which i likd frm d album, n i hve d jesus tke the wheel n wasted frm underwood.
u knw i like country very much dixie chicks n the colbie n older ones johnny cash, i like pop billy joel, elton john, george michael, arethra franklin, bt i like rock bttr as a complete genre. bt d problem is u namd pop atist as dion, dido, spears and compared them to morrision, cobain, dats bulllshit man, arethra franklin vocals is bttr dan many if nt all.
u namd onli those bubblegum popstars whose songs doen't go newhere.
letsstop d cobain n shelley thng wont lead us to newhere.
u r right i m questionin u r readin habits, u hve read 1000 books more dan me maybe, bt did u undrstnd ne of dem xcpt dose written by female authors jane austen, virginia woolf.u bttr read ayn rand, she has developed a realli new idea, if u undrstnd.
u knw read joyce if u havent yet.
i thut u r 18 year old guy, bt hw do become 15 yr old emo girl, i can't undrstnd.do u hve a sex operation in 5 minutes and den go bck to ur real sex aftr 10 minutes.hw do u do dat??
u r a man i still hope, u secrete testosterone, den show a little male characteritics.
and pls watever u do dnt bring dylan in dis, he cant b compared in the legaue of cobains and dions.
Dear Dibba,
I never said pop was my favourite..did I?And anyway,why can I not compare stairway to heaven with prayer?Its my discretion isn't it?
What I have trying to make you understand is that I am not running a pop vs rock competition here..what I am merely trying to make you understand is the fact that every genre has great songs and any person has the discretion to like anything that his/her heart desires!
You want pop...take Dido's "life for rent" or "don't leave home"!
Its not my fault you don't have Green Day or Underwood,is it?
Celine Dion and Dido are bullshit?In which world do you live in?I have named some of the most well known singers through out the world,who have sold far more than all of the people you have named,put together!
You seem to conveniently bypass most of the questions I asked you!Mrs Dalloway?Voice matters?Critics rule the world,do they?Critics trashed Cobain,so why listen?
Celine's vocals are bullshit?Wow...are you deaf!Their songs don't go anywhere....where do you want them to go?Bubblegum popstars?What are rockstars then?
"u seem to read things and u dnt undrstnd dem."...Please elucidate!
Oh and I love female authors...what if I like them better?What if I love Austen?Atleast I've read them...
What makes you think that I can't understand anything except books penned by female authors?Again,explain!
emo girl huh?You are an epitome of the quintessential "Indian Guy"...propunding the "boys don't cry" notion...boys aren't supposed to be "emo" are they?They can't think for themselves,can they?They can't have emotions!They have to be "kewl" have to be "macho"...in order to gain conformity...to gain the acceptance of people like you,who in their myopic little world have defined the limits of "guy behaviour" as not encroaching upto sense!
Please do not insult your own intelligence by further slurs upon a piece of poetry which you deem girlish just because its far removed from your nauseating "guy land"!I brought Dylan into this because I wanted you to understand music is not a gender specific thing...songs are not "men" or "women"!Neither is poetry!
Male charcteristics?Please,I would be happy to...just tell me what they are,oh master!
Again I ask..rock fans,why get so defensive?
My Unworthy Servant
u nver said pop is ur fav, so wat is ur, if u hve 1?
dion sold a little more dan 200 milllion copies.
pink floyd-300 million, led zep-350 million, n EMI claims by 1985 beatles sold more dan 1 billion records worldwide.
i gve u facts frm wikipedia( ur answer to who says).
and dnt tell me wikipedia is forged by rock fanatics like me.
i m nt going to xplain thngs dat i hve said becoz its quite lucid for u to undrstnd.(if u didnt as i hve said dat xplains the line u quoted frm my comment earlier)
hello here, there is a genre calld bubblegum, as u hve next to nothin knowledge abt music,u didnt knw.
hey hey hey, dnt tlk to me abt emotions, u bttr chck out my blogs.
boys aren't supposed to cry, u r cryin mayb allday nw becoz dat cat died in the middle of dat road, bt mister dat doesn't make u aemotional one.
oh oh dnt call dat piece of urs poetry, it isnt qualified yet.
poets write poetry as u hve nt calld urself a poet den its nt poetry.
and its hurts na, to see ur belovd piece given some amount of worthy criticism.
i m happi dat u hve proclaimed me as ur master after showin sum hostility.
i wuld advice u to learn frm ur previous mistakes of not goin to the next-level, people who are man enugh can take it to the next level.
Your Master
Phew!! reading all the comments is quite exhausting...n well the highest number of comments u received so far haha!
well no comments abt the post...hee hee. anyway take care.
bye
Scribbles,
Bad..very bad!No comments,huh?
Dear Dibbasatya,
I am glad that you aknowledge yourself as a rock fanatic!I admit I might have got carried away with the figures but again,you make me wonder..."ur answer to who says)"....Wikipedia is your awnswer to who says what good music is?
Boys don't cry huh...Wow!~The world can do with a few more "alpha male,super macho" species like you!
Your blogs?Are they the epitome of emotional manifestation?The love rant,is it?
I understand that you gain vindictive pleasure at trashing other people and their persona but don't be so indulgent that yuo call your criticism "worthy"!
Again,it ain't poetry?You decide what "qualifies",do you?
HAIL HITLER!
Dhrubo
I have to say that knowing you personally, I am somewhat saddened by your post. Simply because you admit to lack of knowledge of rock (which is very evident) and still draw really ridiculous conclusions.
Dido is better than Morrison because she had the courage to live??? Awww...But so does Paris Hilton, Lilo, etc...who all have the 'courage to live' and maybe manufacture a dozen sex tapes? I have nothing against Dido..but since when is courage to live a standard for judging singers? I thought it was the music that they sing?
And Jim Morrison can't sing? I personally don't like him much but he COULD sing. Singing in high octaves isn't music? It is just a 'form' of music? Just because rock artists don't sing like opera artists it doesn't mean they aren't good singers. if you want to go into the technicalities of it--rock artists' voices have tremendous depth- and a lot more versatility--a very important quality for a good singer.
Also, I agree with most of what 'Triad' says. Greenday, Niravana, etc were all trendsetters, but not necessarily the best. On any given day, I will choose them over the pop artists. Celine Dion sang "Baby I'm naked--naked with you". Huh????? Greenday/Nirvana/blah blah never came across as sex starved/love sick freaks. Greenday's music, in terms of lyrics is much more socially relevant than any pop star.
And..please do not judge rock artistes based on the few lame artistes playing on Indian TV channels or whatever. Most of them have a decent amount of rap and R&B, and sometimes even pop.
If you don't like loud music--there is pleasent sounding rock.
And, I have to say this. Rock is the most honest form of music. Each and every rocker dares to be different. There are more teeny boppers in the world who prefer bubble gum music, and still these rockers dare to be different, because they believe in it. Who says they have no emotions? Anger and sadness are the the strongest emotions we can possess. If you think they are unnecessary, too bad, that doesn't stop them from affecting people. But to say, that in rock music,there is no value for human emotions, is BULL.
Lastly, the term 'rock culture' is utter rubbish. Are you saying all of Paris Hilton's fans make sex tapes? Or do all of Celine Dion's fans marry a guy twice their age who cheated on her? To say, the genre of rock is based on drug usage, shows why 'your little knowledge of rock is such a dangerous thing'. Please do not form your opinion until you've listened to all the genres of rock music. There is nothing called 'rock culture'. I know many people who lead a quiet life, dress formally, do nothing edgy and still dig rock music.
So please, try to better your current knowledge of rock music, and then make generic conclusions.
P.S. Most of the rock lovers do start with pop. But they grow out of it. Maybe they just don't like listening to some retard song, about a kid who wants to be slapped over and over again. (Read, hit me baby one more time.)
Oh and Dibba,
I perfer to listen to a song rather than a genre!
Dear anonymous person,
you say you know me...I am still racking my brains!I appreiate your comments though!
I have said that I wish to have the freedom to say that I like Dido cuz she has the courage to live....an opinion,not a conclusion!
I didn't quite get what you wanted to say about Celine's naked...Green Day does never come across as love-sick,yes!And so doesn't Nirvana and most rock bands.Pardon me if I am wrong,but how is that necessarily better?i mean,rock bands sing about the futility of love,about death..don't they?Who says what is better?
Oh and I do listen to soft rock...
I am sorry but when did I say rock music has no human emotions?But please don't tell me all rock artists "dare" to be different...for most of them,it is just a pose,a show that they have to put up...and HONEST?>??
Rock culture is something I refer to when I wish to point out the craze in the society,the mad rush for "kewl" attire cuz it is related to rock...the metal jewellery,The "I AM WHAT I AM "tagline...the rubbishing of other genres and any other song...that is what I mean,when I say Rock culture...I am sure that what I just mentioned doesn't necessarily connote what rock culture is about,but then,that is what I see around me..!
The post is about my perception of rock and my observation about people around me who go gaga over it,who tend to trash anybody who doesn't!Why is it that I can't criticize something without inviting ridicule?This is my perception of people around me who listen to rock...this isn't my conclusion on rock music!
You tell me not to judge,but aren't you judging yourself when you say "retard song"I mean,there are great songs in pop too...!And lame ones in rock as well!
Idiot. Moron. How dare you trash-talk about me in public.
I am "Gawd"
Rock artists and Jewellery ??? You muss be confusing that with RayJ's bling.
Ho it up with KimK - my biatch.
My old friend Mark Hunt said -- Never argue with Stupids.
First they drag you down to their levels and then they beat you with their experience.
tor bhaat boke onek sunechi!! ar parchi na re!
dont wanna answer abt music nemore, just fed up wth u.
u nw ans my questions
1)who actually decides wat is gud or nt?
i ain't super macho or nethng like dat, my trait is dat i knw wat i m tlkin abt.
2)wat type of a man r u den?
the love rant!
coul u pls conjure nethng like wat i have written den i wll nt comment against you ne more.
u wll say why n hw do u knw its gud, n why wll i wnt to write like u.
u just write ne poem bttr dan me( this is a clear threat which goes out).
dnt repli wth onli parrotted replis who says its gud?
clear thnkin man, u undrstnd poems i knw. i m nt going to tell u nething against u personally.
im throwing you a challenge accept it or just forget it?
if in the next comment u did accpt my challenge.
i wll delete evry comment i had made to you and ur post.
n wll gve u a proper comment respecting ur views.
if u dnt i wll delete my posts, and get the hel out of ur blog.
bt dnt thnk d game wll end there.
Dear dibba,
Bhat boka shunli kokhon?Porli toh!
I am somebody who doesn't have a problem with others expressing their thoughts or their feelings,who doesn't care whethere a certain phrase looks "effiminate
The only reason I have been reiterating the "who says what is good" question is because I want to get the point across to you that every person is the master of his own choice and whatever is good for him/her is what he/she will always prefer...I might like Dido and think she is good...you might not!There is no one Best form of music and one worst form!
About the challenge,I might accept it if you promise not to delete any of your comments here...and please don't get out of my blog!
But again,in poetry,as in music,whatever suites my taste might not suit yours...
And why would you want to write like me?Why would I want you to write like me,either?You are a completely different individual with your markedly varying sensibilities!And I respect that!What I need is for you to reciprocate!
gt it fine! i respect ur views.
i knw u wll respect mine!
Mark Hunt's words are precious!
Oh and I didn't confuse anything...I was talkinga bout those black headgears and the metal chains!
And dear Mr Dead Cobain,Thank you so much for visiting my blog....I am flattered!
Yes I will...!And I appreciate them too!
Dhrubo
Are you a bong or something ? You've all the 3 bong qualities:
a) You dont know shit.
b) You like to talk about what you don't know.
c) You argue about it.
And why the hell are 48 people commenting on crap ?
And Why the hell is this link coming in my RSS feed.
- Another Bong
Hello anonymous persON...
I'd like to know who you are!
i hope u accptd my challenge???
To all fans of rock whom I have offended,i apologize,,,That was never my intention....
pls repli to my question
did u accpt my challenge or not????
check out a young, under-20s INDIAN rock band called Kastadyne. size up with an open mind their maturity and musicality. you may change your mind! i think it's at kastadyne.com but you can google for them. cheers. (i have no probs if you don't like heavy metal, but why dump the whole of rock music? feels excessive.)
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